{"id":15335,"date":"2025-09-07T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-09-07T11:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/yohrt.com\/news\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass\/"},"modified":"2025-09-07T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2025-09-07T11:00:00","slug":"even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/yohrt.com\/news\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass\/","title":{"rendered":"#Even More Ex-Xbox Executives Speak Out About &#8216;Tension&#8217; of Game Pass"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_84 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-custom ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 eztoc-toggle-hide-by-default' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-1'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/yohrt.com\/news\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass\/#Even_More_Ex-Xbox_Executives_Speak_Out_About_%E2%80%98Tension_of_Game_Pass\" >Even More Ex-Xbox Executives Speak Out About &#8216;Tension&#8217; 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of Game Pass<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h1>\n<div class=\"body body-text article-text\">\n<section class=\"text\">\n<figure class=\"picture\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"scanlines\" title=\"'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass 1\" href=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/2eba655ce024a\/the-tension-is-hurting-a-lot-of-people-ex-bethesda-boss-speaks-out-on-subs-like-xbox-game-pass-1.large.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" srcset=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/2eba655ce024a\/the-tension-is-hurting-a-lot-of-people-ex-bethesda-boss-speaks-out-on-subs-like-xbox-game-pass-1.450x.jpg 450w, https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/2eba655ce024a\/the-tension-is-hurting-a-lot-of-people-ex-bethesda-boss-speaks-out-on-subs-like-xbox-game-pass-1.900x.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 799px) 450px, (min-width: 800px)\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/2eba655ce024a\/the-tension-is-hurting-a-lot-of-people-ex-bethesda-boss-speaks-out-on-subs-like-xbox-game-pass-1.900x.jpg\" width=\"900\" height=\"506\" alt=\"'The Tension Is Hurting a Lot of People': Ex-Bethesda Boss Speaks Out on Subs Like Xbox Game Pass 1\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"caption\"><em class=\"credit\">Image: Push Square<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>Update [<time class=\"dated \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T11:00:00+00:00\" data-format=\"D jS M Y, g:ia\">Sun 7th Sep 2025, 12pm<\/time>]:<\/strong> Shannon Loftis, who served as the head of first-party studio World\u2019s Edge and was the VP of Xbox Game Studios, has joined in on the discussion of <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.purexbox.com\"><strong>Game Pass<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In the aftermath of former Bethesda boss Pete Hines\u2019 comments, she concurred in a post on <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/feed\/update\/urn:li:activity:7369880832481660928?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A7369880832481660928%2C7369898365943218176%29&amp;dashCommentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afsd_comment%3A%287369898365943218176%2Curn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A7369880832481660928%29\">LinkedIn<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cAs a long-time first-party Xbox developer, I can attest that Pete is correct. While Game Pass can claim a few victories with games that otherwise would have sunk beneath the waves (Human Fall Flat), the majority of game adoption on [Game Pass] comes at the expense of retail revenue, unless the game is engineered from the ground up for post-release monetisation. I could (and may someday) write pages on the weird inner tensions this creates.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"for-mobile\">\n<figure class=\"youtube with-primis\" data-videoid=\"y-XGB8_bQ3s\" data-start=\"0\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/y-XGB8_bQ3s?rel=0&amp;hd=1&amp;showinfo=0&amp;modestbranding=0&amp;autohide=1\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Top 10 Best PS5 Games Of 2024 (So Far) | PlayStation 5\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/y-XGB8_bQ3s?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><figcaption>\n<p class=\"youtube-watch\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Watch This Video on YouTube\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=y-XGB8_bQ3s\" class=\"external\" rel=\"noopener\">Watch on <strong><span class=\"icon icon-youtube-play\"><\/span> YouTube<\/strong> <span class=\"icon icon-link-external\"><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"youtube-sub\">Subscribe to <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"external\" rel=\"noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/pushsquare?sub_confirmation=1\">Push Square<\/a> on <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"sub-button external\" rel=\"noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/pushsquare?sub_confirmation=1\"><span class=\"subs-label\">YouTube<\/span><span class=\"subs\">161k<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote><\/blockquote>\n<p>It sounds like Loftis has a lot to say about this, and now we have multiple former senior executives from within Microsoft\u2019s hierarchy all singing from the same hymn sheet.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Original Story:<\/strong> If there\u2019s anyone best placed to speak on the impact of <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.purexbox.com\"><strong>Xbox Game Pass<\/strong><\/a>, it\u2019s ex-Bethesda boss Pete Hines, who <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.gamesindustry.biz\/pete-hines-leaving-bethesda\">left the publisher in 2023<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Hines enjoyed a wildly successful 24 years at the company, and so he saw first-hand the consequences of Microsoft\u2019s acquisition.<\/p>\n<p>And while he admitted that he\u2019s been out of the picture for a little while now, he said he saw some \u201cshort sighted decision making several years ago\u201d which \u201cseems to be bearing out the way I said\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the full quote from <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dbltap.com\/features\/24-years-bethesda-with-pete-hines\">DBLTAP<\/a>, as part of a wider interview which also touches on PREY, The Elder Scrolls, and much more:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cI&#8217;m not working in any of these companies anymore, and so I don&#8217;t assume that everything I knew while I was in the industry still holds true today. At the same time, I&#8217;m involved enough to know I saw what I considered to be some short sighted decision making several years ago, and it seems to be bearing out the way I said.<\/p>\n<p>Subscriptions have become the new four letter word, right? You can&#8217;t buy a product anymore. When you talk about a subscription that relies on content, if you don&#8217;t figure out how to balance the needs of the service and the people running the service with the people who are providing the content \u2013 without which your subscription is worth jack sh*t \u2013 then you have a real problem.<\/p>\n<p>You need to properly acknowledge, compensate and recognise what it takes to create that content and not just make a game, but make a product. That tension is hurting a lot of people, including the content creators themselves, because they&#8217;re fitting into an ecosystem that is not properly valuing and rewarding what they&#8217;re making.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Ex-Sony executive Shawn Layden recently made similar comments on Xbox Game Pass, arguing that it\u2019s turning developers into \u201cwage slaves\u201d. He was quick to share Hines\u2019 comments on social media, saying \u201cPete\u2019s quote nails it\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Despite a ton of discussion on the topic, Microsoft has always insisted that its subscription is profitable. Although it\u2019s gone through various price increases and adjustments over the past few years, and the company obfuscates its actual profits.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"object object-tweet\"><!-- cache: oembed\/https:\/\/twitter.com\/shawnlayden\/status\/1964121619405984209 @ 2025-09-06T12:23:21+01:00 --><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" align=\"center\"><p><span lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pete&#8217;s quote nails it.<br \/>\ud83d\udca5\ud83c\udfae\ud83d\udcaa\ud83c\udffd\ud83d\udc99<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/xKqjKpsmNU\">https:\/\/t.co\/xKqjKpsmNU<\/a><\/span>\u2014 shawn layden \ud83c\udff3\ufe0f\u200d\ud83c\udf08\ud83c\udff3\ufe0f\u200d\u26a7\ufe0f\ud83c\uddfa\ud83c\uddf8\ud83c\uddef\ud83c\uddf5 (@ShawnLayden) <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ShawnLayden\/status\/1964121619405984209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 6, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>PlayStation, to its credit, has consistently said it believes the Xbox Game Pass model is unsustainable. Earlier in the generation, the organisation was put under a lot of pressure to copy the business model.<\/p>\n<p>It eventually introduced multiple tiers of <strong>PS Plus<\/strong>, which provide a rolling catalogue of releases, including <em>some<\/em> day one games. However, it\u2019s always resisted the temptation to devalue its own software in the service upon release.<\/p>\n<p>Industry-wide subscription spending has been up in the US recently, but it remained stagnant for several years, despite price increases.<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately, we think it\u2019s probably safe to say that while Xbox Game Pass <em>does<\/em> represent great value, it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> the future of gaming, as was hypothesised at the start of the generation.<\/p>\n<p><!-- cache: html:pushsquare.com\/ssl\/related-articles:184387,185821 @ 1757284352 --><\/p>\n<aside class=\"block object-related\">\n<header class=\"widget-header\">\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Related_Articles\"><\/span>Related Articles<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"body\">\n<div class=\"object-related-list\">\n<article class=\"object-related-article\">\n<p class=\"object-related-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy\" 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class=\"accent\">Sammy Barker<\/span><\/p>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"body\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/4271\/photo\/0\/avatar.jpg?v=1709294233\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Sammy Barker\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"text\">\n<p>As the Editor of Push Square, Sammy has over 15 years of experience analysing the world of PlayStation, from PS3 through PS5 and everything in between. He\u2019s an expert on PS Studios and industry matters, as well as sports games and simulators. He also enjoys RPGs when he has the time to dedicate to them, and is a bit of a gacha whale.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\" first\"><span class=\"icon icon-profile\"><\/span> Author Profile<\/li>\n<li><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"external\" href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/get2sammyb.bsky.social\"><span class=\"icon icon-bsky\"><\/span> Bluesky<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" onclick=\"return replyTo('get2sammyb');\" href=\"#\"><span class=\"icon icon-comments\"><\/span> Reply<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"insert with-label centered block lazyload for-desktop lazyload\">\n<div id=\"PS_MPU_X_V68BE11DF0F9B0\" style=\"min-width:300px; min-height:250px\" data-dfp-id=\"pushsquare\/desktop_web_display\/article\" data-dfp-sizes=\"300x250\" data-dfp-targeting=\"pos=1,gto=false,experiment=nl-article-foot-after-author\" class=\"lazyload\" data-dfp-refresh-direct=\"true\" data-prebid-config=\"LAZY_DESKTOP\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"comments-list\">\n<section id=\"comments\" class=\"block comments\">\n<header class=\"widget-header\">\n<p>Comments <span class=\"counter comment-count\">129<\/span><\/p>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"body\">\n<div class=\"comments hidden-comments\" data-subject=\"dgp:news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass\">\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8808973\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808973\" data-dislikes=\"8\" data-id=\"8808973\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808973\">1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:30:04+00:00\">Sat, 12:30pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Nothing like a good old gamepass\/Xbox bashing to start the weekend guys!!<br \/>\nSure at least nobody has to suffer it on playstation \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">28<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment is-supporter\" id=\"comment8808976\" data-author=\"users\/4271\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808976\" data-dislikes=\"3\" data-id=\"8808976\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/4271\/avatar.jpg?v=1529104267\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"get2sammyb\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808976\">2<\/a><\/li>\n<li>get2sammyb<span title=\"Push Square Supporter\" class=\"icon icon-hookshot supporter-badge\"><\/span> <span title=\"Push Square \/ Hookshot Staff\" class=\"icon icon-star user-admin\"><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:32:41+00:00\">Sat, 12:32pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish Bashing, or interesting insight from someone who was on the inside and saw the impact first-hand? \ud83e\udd14<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">87<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8808978\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808978\" data-dislikes=\"12\" data-id=\"8808978\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808978\">3<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:36:46+00:00\">Sat, 12:36pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@get2sammyb Do you report positive quotes aswell or just the negative ones??<br \/>Beating a dead horse comes to mind but that&#8217;s just me \ud83e\udd37<br \/>Have fun guy&#8217;s \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">22<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8808980\" data-author=\"users\/184844\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808980\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8808980\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/184844\/avatar.jpg?v=1725111293\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Old-Red\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808980\">4<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Old-Red<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:38:06+00:00\">Sat, 12:38pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>The whole subscription model is a trap designed to control what we play and how we play it.<\/p>\n<p>It doesn&#8217;t progress the industry in the favour of customers at all or encourage creativity from developers. The way MS has treated so many of the developers they&#8217;ve spent fortunes taking out of the industry and shutting down was inevitable. They&#8217;re not interested in making interesting or fun games for us, they simply want to control the industry.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">25<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8808981\" data-author=\"users\/276878\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808981\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8808981\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/276878\/avatar.jpg?v=1755816751\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"UltimateOtaku91\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808981\">5<\/a><\/li>\n<li>UltimateOtaku91<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:39:33+00:00\">Sat, 12:39pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Here come those in denial&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">25<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8808989\" data-author=\"users\/70523\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808989\" data-dislikes=\"13\" data-id=\"8808989\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/70523\/avatar.jpg?v=1376227763\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Darkri74345\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808989\">6<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Darkri74345<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:44:09+00:00\">Sat, 12:44pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish Push Square is the worst about this. They\u2019re purely negative about almost everything. Nintendo Life and Pure Xbox are always more neutral.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">21<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8808993\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808993\" data-dislikes=\"7\" data-id=\"8808993\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808993\">7<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:45:27+00:00\">Sat, 12:45pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Darkri74345 That&#8217;s for sure!\ud83d\udc4f\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">7<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment is-supporter\" id=\"comment8808994\" data-author=\"users\/195938\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808994\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8808994\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/195938\/avatar.jpg?v=1704036612\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Jeaz\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808994\">8<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Jeaz<span title=\"Push Square Supporter\" class=\"icon icon-hookshot supporter-badge\"><\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:45:28+00:00\">Sat, 12:45pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Always been sceptical about Game Pass or similar from the start, math just didnt add up for how this would be better for devs, and with that worse for gamers. Great for corps though.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">7<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8808997\" data-author=\"users\/324380\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808997\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8808997\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/324380\/avatar.jpg?v=1677223681\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Slippship\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808997\">9<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Slippship<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:53:21+00:00\">Sat, 12:53pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I don&#8217;t know why I have it, I stopped playing online a while ago on PS. The games are a bonus but I play less as I get older. I do share the ps5 with the kids and they get the money out of it I suppose. Only ever had game pass or xbox gold I think it was on 360, and only then when you got a free month.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment is-supporter\" id=\"comment8808999\" data-author=\"users\/150937\" data-subject=\"comments\/8808999\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8808999\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/150937\/avatar.jpg?v=1715942932\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"johncalmc\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8808999\">10<\/a><\/li>\n<li>johncalmc<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:54:55+00:00\">Sat, 12:54pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>If you actually care about the industry and follow what&#8217;s happening and you&#8217;re not looking at it through the lens of &#8216;this console good because it&#8217;s the one I have&#8217; fanboyism, Gamepass has always been deeply troubling. I get the value. That&#8217;s obvious. But if a deal is too good to be true it usually isn&#8217;t. And consumers who are winning now will end up losing in the long term.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">27<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809000\" data-author=\"users\/191364\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809000\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809000\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/191364\/avatar.jpg?v=1525824811\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"AhmadSumadi\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809000\">11<\/a><\/li>\n<li>AhmadSumadi<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:55:34+00:00\">Sat, 12:55pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Darkri74345 Pure Xbox is always positive. I guess it depends on what you wanna hear. Because Pure Xbox only says how great Game Pass is. Take Push Square and balance yourself.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">23<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809003\" data-author=\"users\/242928\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809003\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809003\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/242928\/avatar.jpg?v=1588701187\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Starkei\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809003\">12<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Starkei<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:57:47+00:00\">Sat, 12:57pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>This is a really interesting interview on the history of Bethesda. Well worth a read.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809004\" data-author=\"users\/187738\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809004\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809004\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Cutmastavictory\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809004\">13<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Cutmastavictory<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T11:58:14+00:00\">Sat, 12:58pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I didn&#8217;t major in business at all in college, but I was sure right about the hazards of game pass. Was pretty obvious.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809008\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809008\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809008\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809008\">14<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:03:34+00:00\">Sat, 1:03pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>This is true about all subscription services.<\/p>\n<p>Remember when <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.playstationlifestyle.net\/2022\/04\/11\/oddworld-soulstorm-ps-plus-free-deal-devastating\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" class=\"external\">Lorne Lanning from Oddworld said how devastating the PS Plus deal was for Oddworld Soulstorm<\/a>. PlayStation conditioned it&#8217;s subscribers to stop buying indie games and expect them on the subscription.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand subscriptions at least provide the option to &#8220;rent games&#8221;. Sony and the other big publishers have been trying to get rid of rental and selling used games for ages.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809012\" data-author=\"users\/355660\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809012\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809012\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/355660\/avatar.jpg?v=1750917892\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"SeaDaVie\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809012\">15<\/a><\/li>\n<li>SeaDaVie<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:05:26+00:00\">Sat, 1:05pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I think there is a lot of short-sightedness around subscriptions in general. A lot people enjoying the now and not understanding the potential dangers for the later.<\/p>\n<p>There is like 100 publishers of video games and no significant barriers to entry. Almost anyone can publish games if they have the desire to do so and they can publish on pretty much any platform they want, there&#8217;s practically no restrictions(outside of inappropriate content).<\/p>\n<p>Now for Subscription services there&#8217;s basically 2 major providers, significant barriers to entry and major platforms don&#8217;t just allow anyone to launch a new sub service on their platform. While there is potential for more competitors it&#8217;s basically restricted to mega corps like Google, Amazon etc. (on top of this the major consolidation in the industry is already redistributing more IP\/catalogue power to existing providers)<\/p>\n<p>As the subscription model gains more popularity, and say one day becomes the dominant method of playing video games, it&#8217;s obvious this is not a healthy environment for the long term sustainability of the industry. It&#8217;s concentrating power into a small group of corporations in an industry that is historically incredibly open(indie games regularly sell millions and new companies come out of nowhere).<\/p>\n<p>Of course most people just enjoy playing games cheaply right now and do not want to contemplate any potential problems.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">13<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809013\" data-author=\"users\/276878\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809013\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809013\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/276878\/avatar.jpg?v=1755816751\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"UltimateOtaku91\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809013\">16<\/a><\/li>\n<li>UltimateOtaku91<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:07:35+00:00\">Sat, 1:07pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>This is why adding games onto your service 12-18 months after release is a much more sustainable option.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">18<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809014\" data-author=\"users\/311723\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809014\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809014\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/311723\/avatar.jpg?v=1745417431\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ravix\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809014\">17<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ravix<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:07:36+00:00\">Sat, 1:07pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@get2sammyb careful Sammy, don&#8217;t want to highlight the flaws, noted by industry experts, of their cheap gaming sugar daddy.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;He gives me lots of games and tells me i&#8217;m a good gamer for eating it all up&#8221; all while the industry slowly burns in front of their blindfolded eyes<\/p>\n<p>Kinky lads, these Xbox Game Pass lovers \ud83d\udc40<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">30<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809015\" data-author=\"users\/317297\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809015\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809015\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/317297\/avatar.jpg?v=1666212747\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"EYEBALL\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809015\">18<\/a><\/li>\n<li>EYEBALL<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:10:20+00:00\">Sat, 1:10pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I think he might be hinting at games (products) having to be designed that never ends that keeps people subscribed for longer because plenty of game&#8217;s on Xbox are just that these days except from the likes of Gears of War and whatever else.<\/p>\n<p>As always games are great when they are fun not when they waste time but business is business.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809021\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809021\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809021\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809021\">19<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:15:05+00:00\">Sat, 1:15pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish I don&#8217;t know, there is something exciting and refreshing about PushSquare. It reminds me a lot of some boulevard newspaper like the Daily Express or the Sun, but it&#8217;s focusing on gaming. Its content is anti everything which is not PlayStation for the sake of being &#8220;anti&#8221;. Like politics, it polarizes people and drives engagement (and online revenue). I love it! \ud83d\ude0d<\/p>\n<p>I want more. I want to know who Jim Ryan had an affair with, how does Hermen Hulst stay in shape, what did Bobby Kotick wear on the beach last summer. No one comes here for the &#8220;games&#8221;. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809029\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809029\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809029\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809029\">20<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:20:24+00:00\">Sat, 1:20pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish @Darkri74345<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Nothing like a good old gamepass\/Xbox bashing to start the weekend guys!!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Push Square is the worst about this. They\u2019re purely negative about almost everything<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>You do realize these quotes come from someone else right? Push Square is just reporting on it. If you think this is biased, take it up with the ex Bethesda chief.<\/p>\n<p>Push Square on the other hand, is even saying Game Pass \u201c<em>does<\/em> represent good value\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If anything, Push Square seems to be negative about everything, even Playstation half of the time i feel<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">25<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809030\" data-author=\"users\/352580\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809030\" data-dislikes=\"2\" data-id=\"8809030\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"lazymike\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809030\">21<\/a><\/li>\n<li>lazymike<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:20:29+00:00\">Sat, 1:20pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>as shortsighted as sony porting its games to pc and other consoles annd pushing live services.<br \/>it will be funny when it comes back biting them in the ass.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809031\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809031\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809031\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809031\">22<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:20:38+00:00\">Sat, 1:20pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ravix It&#8217;s hardly burning but ok whatever helps\u270c\ufe0f Bethesda is owned by Microsoft Microsoft owns gamepass and have been making record profits lately it&#8217;s not as bad as some people would like to believe!<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809033\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809033\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809033\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809033\">23<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:22:19+00:00\">Sat, 1:22pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@TrollOfWar I wouldn&#8217;t say push square is as bad as the sun now in fairness!!<br \/>\nThe sun report straight up lies!<br \/>\nHahaha<br \/>\nBut I do get your point \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809035\" data-author=\"users\/341664\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809035\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809035\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/341664\/avatar.jpg?v=1755618524\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"PuppetMaster\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809035\">24<\/a><\/li>\n<li>PuppetMaster<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:22:55+00:00\">Sat, 1:22pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>So i guess some people can&#8217;t use the &#8220;Shawn Layden is ex-Sony employee. Of course he gonna talk bad about GamePass&#8221; excuse anymore. Ha! \ud83d\ude01<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809041\" data-author=\"users\/323952\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809041\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809041\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"PsBoxSwitchOwner\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809041\">25<\/a><\/li>\n<li>PsBoxSwitchOwner<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:24:45+00:00\">Sat, 1:24pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>It has its positives it has its negatives.<\/p>\n<p>Like most things<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">6<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809047\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809047\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809047\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809047\">26<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:28:12+00:00\">Sat, 1:28pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain It&#8217;s an opinion I&#8217;m not outraged or angry by the story so I won&#8217;t be tracking down this dude to give him telling off it&#8217;s not that important really \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809056\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809056\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809056\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809056\">27<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:37:16+00:00\">Sat, 1:37pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<blockquote>\n<p>so I won&#8217;t be tracking down this dude to give him telling off it&#8217;s not that important really<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201ctake it up with the ex Bethesda chief\u201d is just a figure of speech, you don\u2019t really have to track him down \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p>What i mean by it, is that Push Square is only reporting on his quotes. It\u2019s not like Push Square is bashing any service or platform as you said in your original comment.<\/p>\n<p>These are pretty important quotes from someone who has insight in the industry and Game Pass.<\/p>\n<p>So if he says, with caveats, that content creators aren\u2019t properly valued and rewarded then that should be listened to, in stead of immediately telling for a gaming news site that they\u2019re \u201cbashing\u201d your favorite service or platform. Not everyone is preoccupied with console wars as some of you guys are<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">12<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809061\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809061\" data-dislikes=\"3\" data-id=\"8809061\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809061\">28<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:42:44+00:00\">Sat, 1:42pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain An opinion bro I can say bashing if I want and I&#8217;m not console warring at all both playstation and Xbox are great machines with great games!<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve no interest in console wars at all I don&#8217;t know how you taught I was I said nothing negative about either platform \ud83e\udd37\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809066\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809066\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809066\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809066\">29<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:45:32+00:00\">Sat, 1:45pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish You imply it though, by immediately turning to saying things like: they\u2019re bashing Xbox\/Game Pass etc.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe you\u2019re not into console wars, but lets just say this, people who immediately turn to saying those things usually are \u270c\ud83c\udffc<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">18<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809068\" data-author=\"users\/339586\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809068\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809068\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/339586\/avatar.jpg?v=1710961667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Dalamar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809068\">30<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Dalamar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:48:00+00:00\">Sat, 1:48pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I&#8217;m not a developer, shareholder or CEO. I&#8217;m not even a fanboy. I simply play games. And for me being able to play Doom Dark Ages, Clair Obscur, Wuchang and Ninja Gaiden 4 day one for a price of game pass sub is very beneficial. Throw feces at me if it will help you to sleep at night.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809072\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809072\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809072\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809072\">31<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:51:01+00:00\">Sat, 1:51pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@EYEBALL<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I think he might be hinting at games (products) having to be designed that never ends that keeps people subscribed for longer because plenty of game&#8217;s on Xbox are just that these days except from the likes of Gears of War and whatever else.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Similar things were said about GamePass many times in the past, alluding that &#8220;GamePass is about never ending live-service&#8221; games.<\/p>\n<p>From my personal experience where I&#8217;ve been subscribed to GamePass for a couple of years now, I would say in most cases the opposite is true. The majority of the games on GamePass are smaller indie titles. Any game which is designed to be played over a long period (including rogue-likes, souls-likes) would have been designed that way even without GamePass. The trend for longer, bloated and live-service games has been growing since the 2010s.<\/p>\n<p>There are no &#8220;GamePass exclusive&#8221; games, they all release on PC, Nintendo and\/or PlayStation. GamePass is just an alternative option on how to play those games. So games need to be designed for and perform well on all platforms. I&#8217;d say for people who play a few unending \/ live-service game, it&#8217;s better not to subscribe to GamePass or PS Plus Extra, as buying the game is cheaper in the long run. There are a few exceptions to the norm of course like Capcom&#8217;s Exoprimal or Pocketpair&#8217;s Palworld, 2 live-service games which benefited from being on GamePass where more people could try it, as both were new IPs.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe one thing which is true about GamePass (but bot mentioned here) is the quality of games at launch. Many games launch on GamePass which feel unfinished and by the time they launch on PlayStation those games feel more complete, like for example STALKER 2, Palworld or The Last Case of Benedict Fox. Redfall was the worst offender, but that one probably won&#8217;t come to PS5.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809073\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809073\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809073\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809073\">32<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:51:10+00:00\">Sat, 1:51pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Dalamar<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;m not a developer, shareholder or CEO. I&#8217;m not even a fanboy. I simply play games. And for me being able to play Doom Dark Ages, Clair Obscur, Wuchang and Ninja Gaiden 4 day one for a price of game pass sub is very beneficial. Throw feces at me if it will help you to sleep at night.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>No feces will be hurled at you my friend. If someone in the industry says content creators aren\u2019t properly valued and rewarded, and you don\u2019t care, then feel free to sleep sound at night, fecesless \ud83d\ude06<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">7<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809075\" data-author=\"users\/355476\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809075\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809075\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/355476\/avatar.jpg?v=1749628512\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Medic_alert\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809075\">33<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Medic_alert<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:52:03+00:00\">Sat, 1:52pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I have been part of gamepass since day 1, the deal has been so good right the way through.<\/p>\n<p>But the negatives were always there and everyone and their dog knew it.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809077\" data-author=\"users\/170270\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809077\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809077\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/170270\/avatar.jpg?v=1493750097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Bingoboyop\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809077\">34<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Bingoboyop<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:53:40+00:00\">Sat, 1:53pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish and why exactly do they owe a balanced look at it to anyone, even though I don&#8217;t even think they are bashing it? It&#8217;s their site, they don&#8217;t like this model, so they can publish whatever they want. An article might have an opinion or it might not. Nothing wrong either way. \ud83e\udd37\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">9<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809080\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809080\" data-dislikes=\"2\" data-id=\"8809080\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809080\">35<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:54:23+00:00\">Sat, 1:54pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain Ok??<br \/>\nBut at the same time isn&#8217;t a story like this stoking a console war??<br \/>\nNothing I said implied anything negative to either console just this site so I&#8217;ll respectfully disagree with you on that.\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809083\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809083\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809083\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809083\">36<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:56:20+00:00\">Sat, 1:56pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Bingoboyop Your completely right just like I can give an opinion on it aswell works both ways.<br \/>Especially with a comments section on the story they are looking for peoples opinions on the subject I gave mine.\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809088\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809088\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809088\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809088\">37<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:57:39+00:00\">Sat, 1:57pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Ok??<br \/>\nBut at the same time isn&#8217;t I story like this stocking a console war??<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Reporting on quotes from people in the gaming industry who have insight in these things is important, it can give better insight than most of us discussing these things we hardly know about.<\/p>\n<p>Funny how you say Hine\u2019s quotes can be considere fueling a console war, but i\u2019d say, <em>your<\/em> quotes about PS \u201cbashing Game Pass\/Xbox\u201d can be considered stocking a console war way more than reporting on his quotes \ud83e\udd37\ud83c\udffb\u200d\u2642\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">11<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809090\" data-author=\"users\/170270\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809090\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809090\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/170270\/avatar.jpg?v=1493750097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Bingoboyop\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809090\">38<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Bingoboyop<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T12:58:28+00:00\">Sat, 1:58pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish yeah exactly so what is your problem with the article again? \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809095\" data-author=\"users\/357453\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809095\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809095\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/357453\/avatar.jpg?v=1755906396\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Elfuggingjefe\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809095\">39<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Elfuggingjefe<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:02:09+00:00\">Sat, 2:02pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Aren&#8217;t we all &#8220;wage slaves&#8221;? What makes developers any different?<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809102\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809102\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809102\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809102\">40<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:05:26+00:00\">Sat, 2:05pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Bingoboyop Check out my earlier comments<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809103\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809103\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809103\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809103\">41<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:07:19+00:00\">Sat, 2:07pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain Pure square isn&#8217;t playstation I can be critical of this site and it has nothing to do with playstation the console or Sony!<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809109\" data-author=\"users\/170270\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809109\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809109\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/170270\/avatar.jpg?v=1493750097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Bingoboyop\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809109\">42<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Bingoboyop<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:10:23+00:00\">Sat, 2:10pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Dalamar totally understandable and I agree it&#8217;s a great deal. The problem is we never think long term and why should we. This same thing happens with everything in tech it seems like, the esshittification. They give a great deal and when they have a ton of people on board they start shoveling the *****. I hope it never happns to gaming though it already is in various ways.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809111\" data-author=\"users\/170270\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809111\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809111\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/170270\/avatar.jpg?v=1493750097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Bingoboyop\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809111\">43<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Bingoboyop<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:11:28+00:00\">Sat, 2:11pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish I did. You said they were beating a dead a horse and were peacing out and yet here you are, with half of the comments on this post. \ud83e\udd37\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809113\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809113\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809113\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809113\">44<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:13:37+00:00\">Sat, 2:13pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Bingoboyop I put peace at the end of most my comments out of habit.<br \/>And a lot of people responded to me so I answered there comments \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809127\" data-author=\"users\/354450\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809127\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809127\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/354450\/avatar.jpg?v=1747253868\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"chriswashere313\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809127\">45<\/a><\/li>\n<li>chriswashere313<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:23:59+00:00\">Sat, 2:23pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Microsoft: Game Pass is profitable.<\/p>\n<p>Will you report the profits?<\/p>\n<p>Microsoft: No.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809129\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809129\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809129\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809129\">46<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:24:18+00:00\">Sat, 2:24pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Pure square isn&#8217;t playstation I can be critical of this site and it has nothing to do with playstation the console or Sony!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p>just like I can give an opinion on it aswell works both ways.<br \/>\nEspecially with a comments section on the story they are looking for peoples opinions on the subject I gave mine.\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>For the record, you\u2019re totally allowed to have an opinion. I\u2019m just <em>reacting<\/em> to your opinion. That\u2019s what happens in public discourse, maybe get used to it in stead of saying you can\u2019t critize Push Square or Playstation \ud83e\udd37\ud83c\udffb\u200d\u2642\ufe0f<\/p>\n<p>You can totally criticize Playstation btw, most here do that constantly, so be my guest \u270c\ud83c\udffc\u270c\ud83c\udffc\u270c\ud83c\udffc<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809130\" data-author=\"users\/311723\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809130\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809130\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/311723\/avatar.jpg?v=1745417431\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ravix\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809130\">47<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ravix<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:24:41+00:00\">Sat, 2:24pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish whatever helps what? I detect a childish &#8220;get out clause&#8221; to avoid reply to that point, as it seems you think you have won and will close off your brain to any responses. Why are you even talking about MS profits? Do you genuinely think that MS having all the money in the world means gaming is in a good place and games will only improve because of it, while industry experts and people that have inside knowledge of how things are going at Bethesda say otherwise? \ud83e\udd26\u200d\u2642\ufe0f You&#8217;re in too deep to the cult of Phil, and you think people talking objectively about the negatives are an attack on this dear company that you love, for some reason. You are banging on about a console war whilst coming to help defend a trillion dollar corporation while other people speak objectively about how subscriptions f***ing suck for the industry.<\/p>\n<p>They all suck. But maybe Sony&#8217;s sucks a little bit less because they haven&#8217;t bastardised their new releases within their subscription model. This is not a war, it is an objective statement about how each decided to pursue their own subscription model.<\/p>\n<p>But do please read why these industry experts think subscriptions are bad for the industry, rather than assuming it is some weird console war s***, because maybe, just maybe, they have the interests of the creatives and the players in their minds, more than, you know, a trillion dollar corperation that just wants to hoover up more money \ud83e\udee1<\/p>\n<p>And hey, I only came on to make a joke about how people act in these situations, but now you&#8217;ve got this to reply to. So, enjoy it, haha.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">13<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809136\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809136\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809136\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809136\">48<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:29:41+00:00\">Sat, 2:29pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain @Ravix Enjoy your gaming this weekend lads I don&#8217;t have the energy to argue over this \u270c\ufe0f\ud83d\udc4d<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809145\" data-author=\"users\/311723\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809145\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809145\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/311723\/avatar.jpg?v=1745417431\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ravix\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809145\">49<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ravix<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:32:51+00:00\">Sat, 2:32pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Oh yes, got him into a position of no retort!<\/p>\n<p>I think&#8230; I think we just won the console war, guys. Time to party \ud83d\ude02<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">10<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809148\" data-author=\"users\/332393\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809148\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809148\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332393\/avatar.jpg?v=1757161925\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"OldGamer999\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809148\">50<\/a><\/li>\n<li>OldGamer999<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:35:26+00:00\">Sat, 2:35pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Guess we will have to see how it all goes over a longer period of time. <br \/>What suits some companies and their direction will not suit others.<\/p>\n<p>The problem is whilst these businesses are learning be it Microsoft or Sony as they have a lot to learn the last couple of years, it is gamers that suffer and pay the price.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809155\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809155\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809155\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809155\">51<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:38:23+00:00\">Sat, 2:38pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>There&#8217;s a part in the interview right before Pete Hines&#8217; comment, <strong>which PushSquare left out in this article<\/strong>, which would have given more context to his thoughts:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>That\u2019s part of the reason <strong>Tango Gameworks\u2019<\/strong> Hi-Fi Rush was announced and launched on the same day. Bethesda didn\u2019t want to waste its energy explaining why the survival horror game studio was making a rhythm action game. Here\u2019s the game, play it and judge it for yourself. If we believe what Xbox says, it was another success, reaching three million players. <strong>But what does success even mean in the age of subscriptions? After all, three million players is a totally different metric to three million sales. A year after that success, Microsoft closed the studio down<\/strong> (fortunately, Tango was later revived by Krafton), <strong>alongside Dishonored developer Arkane Austin, which also had an Xbox Game Pass launch with its vampire co-op shooter, Redfall.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI&#8217;m not working in any of these companies anymore, and so I don&#8217;t assume that everything I knew while I was in the industry still holds true today&#8230;.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Source: <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"external\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dbltap.com\/features\/24-years-bethesda-with-pete-hines\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">https:\/\/www.dbltap.com\/features\/24-years-bethesda-with-pete-hines<\/a><\/p>\n<p>So basically he&#8217;s referring to the Tango Works and Arkane Austin closures somehow being related to GamePass.<\/p>\n<p>Microsoft acquired Bethesda\/ZeniMax at the peak of the COVID pandemic, where gaming business had an explosive growth and demand for Xbox (and PlayStation) hardware was high. 2 years later and suddenly the business stopped growing, demand for Xbox consoles disappeared and GamePass subscribers growth stagnanted. Every company started reducing their staff. Question is, is GamePass to blame?<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">7<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809166\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809166\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809166\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809166\">52<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T13:48:00+00:00\">Sat, 2:48pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ravix<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>and you think people talking objectively about the negatives are an attack on this dear company that you love, for some reason<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Exactly right, it\u2019s like we can\u2019t even discuss things objectively about the gaming industry anymore, without people saying its about bashing other companies or services.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t care if people prefer Playstation or Xbox. I just don\u2019t understand why people can\u2019t discuss things nuanced and objectively anymore. The amount of deflection, cognitive bias and dissonance in discussions online can be staggering sometimes<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">8<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809180\" data-author=\"users\/1800\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809180\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809180\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/1800\/avatar.jpg?v=1740078361\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"SMJ\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809180\">53<\/a><\/li>\n<li>SMJ<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:00:09+00:00\">Sat, 3pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>The fact that he says &#8220;you can&#8217;t buy a product&#8221; is ridiculous and wrong.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809187\" data-author=\"users\/4617\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809187\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809187\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/4617\/avatar.jpg?v=1654701003\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"rjejr\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809187\">54<\/a><\/li>\n<li>rjejr<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:07:56+00:00\">Sat, 3:07pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Sony &#8211; Gamepass is unprofitable. It will kill their company. It will kill the industry.<\/p>\n<p>Also Sony &#8211; We are making 8 live service games b\/c gamers love those and we will make all the money in the world.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">10<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809190\" data-author=\"users\/349047\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809190\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809190\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/349047\/avatar.jpg?v=1755897427\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"VeganH\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809190\">55<\/a><\/li>\n<li>VeganH<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:09:34+00:00\">Sat, 3:09pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Game pass and ps+ are optional services for both users and devs. No one is forcing(except ms studios\ud83d\ude06) any party to partake. Just saiyan.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809193\" data-author=\"users\/309178\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809193\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809193\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ppitchfork\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809193\">56<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ppitchfork<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:11:37+00:00\">Sat, 3:11pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Microsoft has painted themselves into corner here, if they end gamepass now everyone will bail from their platform, so they\u2019re going to ride this until they\u2019re ready to just be a publisher.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809198\" data-author=\"users\/191364\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809198\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809198\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/191364\/avatar.jpg?v=1525824811\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"AhmadSumadi\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809198\">57<\/a><\/li>\n<li>AhmadSumadi<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:17:01+00:00\">Sat, 3:17pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@rjejr not defending Sony. But making a successful live service game is not equal to day 1 releases on Game Pass. Not even close!<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809199\" data-author=\"users\/191364\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809199\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809199\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/191364\/avatar.jpg?v=1525824811\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"AhmadSumadi\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809199\">58<\/a><\/li>\n<li>AhmadSumadi<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:17:44+00:00\">Sat, 3:17pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@ppitchfork Microsoft has already bailed on its own platform lol.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809210\" data-author=\"users\/263711\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809210\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809210\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"lindos\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809210\">59<\/a><\/li>\n<li>lindos<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:28:54+00:00\">Sat, 3:28pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Tbh given Xbox is as good as dead so is GP. Most non GP folks do not spend the annual cost of GP on games per year ie. It was only ever a good idea for consumers with the \u00a31 per month trick, which is now gone. <br \/>Good riddance.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809219\" data-author=\"users\/346142\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809219\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809219\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"lazarus11\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809219\">60<\/a><\/li>\n<li>lazarus11<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:34:58+00:00\">Sat, 3:34pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Darkri74345 unless you say something one of there shills doesn&#8217;t agree with and then you get banned , pure xbox is a cesspit of fanboyism<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809223\" data-author=\"users\/271882\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809223\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809223\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/271882\/avatar.jpg?v=1600059835\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ultimapunch\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809223\">61<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ultimapunch<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:43:11+00:00\">Sat, 3:43pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>If you like big budget games subscriptions should be your biggest enemy.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809232\" data-author=\"users\/339587\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809232\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809232\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Rich33\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809232\">62<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Rich33<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T14:56:45+00:00\">Sat, 3:56pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I have always held the view that GP is one of the most insidious threats to the industry as a whole &#8211; its the Day 1 part of GP that makes it so bad, and it promotes the creation of lower quality &#8216;filler&#8217; games in the AAA and even AA categories, and a slow degradation in the quality of games over time.<\/p>\n<p>I really didn&#8217;t want to see Xbox fail completely as a platform (Sony without competition is not the best), but GP is the single biggest reason for that failure &#8211; due to how much money they spent on acquisitions and being forced to sell their exclusives elswhere because of that.<\/p>\n<p>It should be clear to anyone that GP is not remotely close to being as profitable as Xbox would like you to believe because of this.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809244\" data-author=\"users\/342341\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809244\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809244\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/342341\/avatar.jpg?v=1717640216\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Balaam_\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809244\">63<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Balaam_<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T15:11:06+00:00\">Sat, 4:11pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>It\u2019s been said above by others, I\u2019ll reiterate succinctly: Corporations don\u2019t want us to <strong>own<\/strong> anything. A one time purchase is inherently worse than siphoning repeatable revenue out of consumers. If they had their way, we\u2019d be leasing hardware, software, the OS, all games, individual assets within those games, the music, etc etc etc. all for a monthly fee. Great for them, bad for us. They will push the subscription model as far as they\u2019re allowed to, as much as they can possibly get away with, and it will only get worse.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809249\" data-author=\"users\/276878\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809249\" data-dislikes=\"2\" data-id=\"8809249\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/276878\/avatar.jpg?v=1755816751\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"UltimateOtaku91\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809249\">64<\/a><\/li>\n<li>UltimateOtaku91<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T15:16:26+00:00\">Sat, 4:16pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@lazarus11 Exactly, you say something remotely bad against Xbox\/Microsoft you then get ganged up on, and if you argue back you&#8217;re the one to get banned. Push and NintendoLife are different as they are more lenient, the amount of negativie and obvious troll comments towards Sony\/Nintendo on these sites that don&#8217;t get removed is evidence of that.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809283\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809283\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809283\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809283\">65<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T15:52:08+00:00\">Sat, 4:52pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@UltimateOtaku91 @lazarus11 True!<\/p>\n<p>There seems to be a bit of a bubble on Pure Xbox, where most agree with everything Xbox does and few criticize them. Probably because of the smaller userbase the site has, so mostly die hard fans are active i guess.<\/p>\n<p>Push Square on the other hand, has way more users, so higher chances of many people that dislike Sony. So i feel like Sony also gets way more hate and criticism on here, which is good overall, keeps things balanced.<\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s also the reason i\u2019ve mostly stopped commenting on Pure Xbox, as personally i find it harder to find unbiased\/nuanced opinions there<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809290\" data-author=\"users\/356237\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809290\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809290\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ElectricWizard\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809290\">66<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ElectricWizard<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T15:59:11+00:00\">Sat, 4:59pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@UltimateOtaku91<br \/>\nIt seems if someone defends Xbox\/MS they also get ganged up on.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s the state of things and there is likely no leniency either way, it just appears that way depending on how your specs are tinted.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809307\" data-author=\"users\/344469\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809307\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809307\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Bluemoon2008\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809307\">67<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Bluemoon2008<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T16:12:46+00:00\">Sat, 5:12pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@TrollOfWar you are completely mis-representing what was said there.<\/p>\n<p>Lorne Lanning said it was a devastating deal for them because they grossly underestimated the number of projected ps5 owners that would download the game primarily due to a delay on release and Covid.<\/p>\n<p>They forecasted the deal to be more financially lucrative taking the ps+ money then they&#8217;d make from selling the number of copies they expected to be downloaded. They underestimated the actual downloads by a factor of 40, mainly because of things outside of their influence but not entirely and so what would have been a nice little earner ended up being a lot of potential lost revenue. It was a very specific instance for that game, at that time.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809310\" data-author=\"users\/334967\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809310\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809310\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TruestoryYep\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809310\">68<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TruestoryYep<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T16:14:48+00:00\">Sat, 5:14pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Pete Hines had nothing to say about Bethesda being the first company to add microtranscations to a single player game.<\/p>\n<p>And both Shawn and Sony wouldn&#8217;t know if Game Pass is sustainable since they&#8217;re basing their logic on PlayStation itself failing in terms of its subscription service&#8230;a service they themselves created first. Xbox just was more successful at it.<\/p>\n<p>Truth is, the games that fail on Game Pass just weren&#8217;t good anyway and if not for Game Pass, nobody would be playing them anyway. There&#8217;s plenty of success stories like with Clair Obscur.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment is-supporter\" id=\"comment8809311\" data-author=\"users\/139165\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809311\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809311\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/139165\/avatar.jpg?v=1584699919\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"roe\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809311\">69<\/a><\/li>\n<li>roe<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T16:14:57+00:00\">Sat, 5:14pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I just find it hard to care tbh when almost everything in the world is short sighted. Particularly from mega corporations<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809324\" data-author=\"users\/310011\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809324\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809324\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/310011\/avatar.jpg?v=1652482932\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"pyrrhic_victory\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809324\">70<\/a><\/li>\n<li>pyrrhic_victory<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T16:26:12+00:00\">Sat, 5:26pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I had Game Pass back when my Series X still worked, and I just didn&#8217;t play enough games on there to justify paying for it. The last game I played through on Xbox was Starfield, and I was playing only that for about a month. Aside from a few specific games that I wanted to play, I just didn&#8217;t feel like downloading and trying the vast majority of titles on there.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809325\" data-author=\"users\/339587\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809325\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809325\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Rich33\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809325\">71<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Rich33<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T16:28:19+00:00\">Sat, 5:28pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain @UltimateOtaku91 <br \/>I was commenting about something similar the other day, but what if all the rumours \/ reports are true and the next Xbox is effectively a &#8216;PC in a box&#8217;.<br \/>Maybe with an emulation mode (that could also be used on suitable PC&#8217;s) to play previous gen Xbox console games.<\/p>\n<p>It would play the PC version of code, and use the code from marketplaces like steam. That means that Xbox as a platform would literally be gone.<br \/>Xbox fanboys, sites like Pure Xbox (Ive never visited so can&#8217;t comment on the state of it), etc will just cease to be relevant.<\/p>\n<p>A lot suggest this would just be the &#8216;next evolution of Xbox&#8217;, but it really isn&#8217;t &#8211; its the end of the platform, and Xbox becomes no different from say Dell &#8211; a manufacturer of a pre built PC.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809331\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809331\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809331\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809331\">72<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T16:33:21+00:00\">Sat, 5:33pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@TruestoryYep<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Truth is, the games that fail on Game Pass just weren&#8217;t good anyway and if not for Game Pass, nobody would be playing them anyway. There&#8217;s plenty of success stories like with Clair Obscur.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>He\u2019s not talking about games failing or being successful on Game Pass though. He\u2019s talking about creators not being valued and rewarded properly.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Pete Hines had nothing to say about Bethesda being the first company to add microtranscations to a single player game.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I don\u2019t quite understand what this has to do with anything thoug. He was asked about subscriptions, so he\u2019s gonna talk about Game Pass. What does this have to do with it? Do those decisions Bethesda made in the past somehow discount his opinion on Game Pass today?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>And both Shawn and Sony wouldn&#8217;t know if Game Pass is sustainable since they&#8217;re basing their logic on PlayStation itself failing in terms of its subscription service.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Shawn Laden was CEO of Playstation. I think both him and Sony know much better than you and i how much a service like thats costs to maintain and develop and if it\u2019s sustainable long term<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809338\" data-author=\"users\/342972\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809338\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809338\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/342972\/avatar.jpg?v=1719245339\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Tevor\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809338\">73<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Tevor<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T16:48:46+00:00\">Sat, 5:48pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Yeah, this is just modern business practice in a nutshell. Growth at any cost. Not even profit, growth mind you.<\/p>\n<p>Forget any quaint arguments of &#8220;Are games art?&#8221; when the people at the top are only interested in games as a disposable commodity to leverage recurring transactions. Barf.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809354\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809354\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809354\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809354\">74<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T17:08:48+00:00\">Sat, 6:08pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Bluemoon2008<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>@TrollOfWar you are completely mis-representing what was said there.<\/p>\n<p>Lorne Lanning said it was a devastating deal for them because they grossly underestimated the number of projected ps5 owners that would download the game primarily due to a delay on release and Covid.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>To be honest, I was mostly sarcastic with that comment, using rhetoric often used by others here to paint a negative image of Xbox or GamePass.<\/p>\n<p>The Oddworld Soulstorm case is more of an exception rather than the rule, as many other developers were pretty successful with their games on PS Plus. On GamePass you&#8217;ll find many cases were developers praise it and others being more critical about it.<\/p>\n<p>Often times these articles only focus on the negative cases related to GamePass, any postive point is mentioned only as a side note. In my honest opinion, GamePass and PS Plus aren&#8217;t too different. Both services have positives and negatives to the same degree and you&#8217;ll find examples for every case. Curiously people started caring about the sustainability of GamePass once it became popular, yet no one questions the sustainability of PS Plus Extra, even though it also often features high profile day 1 releases (just none PlayStation published), especially some big games &#8220;given away&#8221; as part of PS Plus Essential. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809355\" data-author=\"users\/176158\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809355\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809355\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/176158\/avatar.jpg?v=1527335320\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Nakatomi_Uk\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809355\">75<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Nakatomi_Uk<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T17:09:37+00:00\">Sat, 6:09pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I still think it was part why Xbox is like it is now ever since it was brought up they want a sub streaming based gaming industry where you own nothing.<\/p>\n<p>But again still think it&#8217;s Xbox 1 downfall as good as it is too consumers to the competition part of wasn&#8217;t against Sony<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809362\" data-author=\"users\/355660\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809362\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809362\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/355660\/avatar.jpg?v=1750917892\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"SeaDaVie\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809362\">76<\/a><\/li>\n<li>SeaDaVie<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T17:20:38+00:00\">Sat, 6:20pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@TruestoryYep<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>And both Shawn and Sony wouldn&#8217;t know if Game Pass is sustainable since they&#8217;re basing their logic on PlayStation itself failing in terms of its subscription service&#8230;a service they themselves created first. Xbox just was more successful at it.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Except PS plus generates roughly the same revenue as gamepass(despite being available to less people, being only on console vs. Xbox\/PC\/Cloud) and being much cheaper to run and no first party games on day one means minimised loss of sales. Currently PS Plus is almost certainly exponentially more profitable than Gamepass.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">6<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809401\" data-author=\"users\/335635\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809401\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809401\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/335635\/avatar.jpg?v=1724508585\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Decimateh-xblz\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809401\">77<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Decimateh-xblz<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T18:14:02+00:00\">Sat, 7:14pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>You can buy games though so that guys comment is bs \ud83e\udd23 gamepass is best thing ever though IV played a tonne of games mainly indie AA that I wouldn&#8217;t have known about if they didn&#8217;t come to gp MD IV saved money on some games that came to it that I was planning on getting \ud83d\ude0e<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809424\" data-author=\"users\/251736\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809424\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809424\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/251736\/avatar.jpg?v=1611842001\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"BleedingDreamer\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809424\">78<\/a><\/li>\n<li>BleedingDreamer<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T18:58:08+00:00\">Sat, 7:58pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@TrollOfWar it is a shame too cause Redfall is a really good game once all the patches fixed the game. I just got finished playing it.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809425\" data-author=\"users\/312550\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809425\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809425\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Artois2\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809425\">79<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Artois2<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T18:59:45+00:00\">Sat, 7:59pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@TrollOfWar it\u2019s better than pure Xbox that doesn\u2019t report on anything negative regarding game pass. It works both ways<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809435\" data-author=\"users\/312550\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809435\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809435\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Artois2\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809435\">80<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Artois2<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T19:11:57+00:00\">Sat, 8:11pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish there is no longer a war it\u2019s more a Squamish at the moment<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809438\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809438\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809438\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809438\">81<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T19:18:10+00:00\">Sat, 8:18pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Artois2 I just like gaming I really don&#8217;t care about what platform\ud83e\udd26<br \/>\nAlso pure Xbox does report on the negative on gamepass give it a search you will see\ud83d\ude01\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809447\" data-author=\"users\/152184\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809447\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809447\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/152184\/avatar.jpg?v=1712431155\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Northern_munkey\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809447\">82<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Northern_munkey<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T19:36:18+00:00\">Sat, 8:36pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Well this is an interesting comments section for a Saturday evening.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809460\" data-author=\"users\/357780\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809460\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809460\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"StitchJones\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809460\">83<\/a><\/li>\n<li>StitchJones<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T20:01:41+00:00\">Sat, 9:01pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish I used to be a 2 console gamer (playstation\/xbox) but preferred PS for 3rd party and always liked their 1st party stable better. But now I just ignore everything xbox does at this point. My seriesX has been nothing but a dust collector this gen. I&#8217;ll never buy another xbox console again. So many games out now to play. Who cares what a trillion $$$ company is doing, that we have no stock in?<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809475\" data-author=\"users\/121516\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809475\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809475\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/121516\/avatar.jpg?v=1627136884\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Fiendish-Beaver\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809475\">84<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Fiendish-Beaver<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T20:32:46+00:00\">Sat, 9:32pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Personally, I have Game Pass Ultimate and I do not have the PlayStation alternative. That said, I buy nearly all my games, and the <strong>only<\/strong> game that I have played on the Game Pass this year was <strong>Expedition 33<\/strong> because I have bought all the other games this year. I do buy a lot of games, this is a complete list of all the games I have bought this year:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Days Gone: Remastered<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Death Stranding 2 &#8211; Collector&#8217;s Edition<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Ghost of Yote &#8211; Collector&#8217;s Editioni<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This is a list of the games that I have bought <strong>this year<\/strong> for my Xbox. That&#8217;s bought, not played on Game Pass. Actually purchased:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Aternum: New World<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Euro Fishing: Ultimate Edition<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Assassin&#8217;s Creed: Mirage<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Warhammer: Age of Sigmar<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Doom: The Dark Ages &#8211; Collector&#8217;s Edition<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Split Fiction<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Cluedo<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>The Thaumaturge<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>The Talos Principle: Reawakened<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>63 Days<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Hero Defence<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Star Trek Prodigy<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Hot Wheels Unleashed<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Cronos: The New Dawn<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Terminator Resistance<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Deadzone Rogue<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Hell is Us<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Jotunnslayer: Hordes of Hel<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I will pre-order these three games for my Xbox over the next few days once they are closer to release:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Silent Hill F<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Dying Light: The beast<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Borderlands 4<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The reason I have Game Pass Ultimate is because I also own a gaming PC, although I don&#8217;t enjoy gaming on a PC so I do not actually play games on it, however, every weekend I play 3 50 wave Hordes in Gears 5 with my mate, and my son, and I simply would rather have Ultimate, than Core.<\/p>\n<p>I do think Game Pass and it&#8217;s PlayStation equivalent offer excellent value to us as consumers, with Game Pass offering the best subscription service. However, I do not think that Game Pass will ultimately prove to be sustainable.<\/p>\n<p>The one thing I would say though is that those that are developing games for Game Pass are much less likely to lose their jobs than a developer that releases a game that fails. Game Pass in particular, with its day one releases, offers an element of job security because the service always needs new games, thus even if they release a subpar game, they are still likely to keep their jobs so that they can move on to the next game in development, so I don&#8217;t think it is quite a clear cut as Pete Hines is saying because surely it is better to be under pressure and in employment, than it is to be unemployed&#8230;?<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809501\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809501\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809501\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809501\">85<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T21:24:48+00:00\">Sat, 10:24pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@BleedingDreamer At first I was interested in playing Redfall, but I lost it all as soon as I saw the reviews and read first impressions. A shame it didn&#8217;t get the time it needed to be complete on release.<\/p>\n<p>There could have been a PS5 version if it had performed better. Same case with Forspoken, it won&#8217;t release on Xbox anymore.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809506\" data-author=\"users\/112667\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809506\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809506\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Kierant202\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809506\">86<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Kierant202<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T21:38:33+00:00\">Sat, 10:38pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>&#8216;experts&#8217; in the industry have had plenty examples both for and against game pass.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s always amusing seeing people on the internet justify their opinions based on whenever one such expert opinion is the one that agrees with them.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">7<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809539\" data-author=\"users\/346142\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809539\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809539\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"lazarus11\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809539\">87<\/a><\/li>\n<li>lazarus11<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T22:22:07+00:00\">Sat, 11:22pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@ElectricWizard I just find the people on push square to be less unhinged<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809548\" data-author=\"users\/356237\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809548\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809548\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ElectricWizard\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809548\">88<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ElectricWizard<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T22:43:06+00:00\">Sat, 11:43pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@lazarus11 <br \/>You&#8217;re saying people on push square are unhinged? \ud83d\ude02<br \/>Just not as much&#8230;\ud83d\ude43<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809552\" data-author=\"users\/346142\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809552\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809552\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"lazarus11\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809552\">89<\/a><\/li>\n<li>lazarus11<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-06T22:52:37+00:00\">Sat, 11:52pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@ElectricWizard certain ones \ud83d\ude02\ud83d\ude02<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809610\" data-author=\"users\/182873\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809610\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809610\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Cvantez\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809610\">90<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Cvantez<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T01:24:08+00:00\">Yesterday, 2:24am<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Kierant202 &#8211; 100% this. News bits are cherry picked for confirmation bias reasons. Happens everywhere, and this site is no different. I will say it\u2019s always amusing to see, despite winning this generation handily, how much XBox and GP live rent-free in people\u2019s heads here. We didn\u2019t just beat you XBox, you are now the root of all evil, and we have the carefully selected quotes to prove it. It\u2019s silly.<\/p>\n<p>And I say this as someone who really dislikes many aspects of Microsoft.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809709\" data-author=\"users\/181665\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809709\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809709\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/181665\/avatar.jpg?v=1514077231\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"JayJ\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809709\">91<\/a><\/li>\n<li>JayJ<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T06:20:46+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:20am<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I think Xbox&#8217;s reliance upon Gamepass has ruined the brand.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809716\" data-author=\"users\/299908\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809716\" data-dislikes=\"2\" data-id=\"8809716\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"RoomWithaMoose\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809716\">92<\/a><\/li>\n<li>RoomWithaMoose<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T06:30:45+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:30am<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>The comments in these anti-Game Pass articles are always fascinating \u2014 and, by extension, the sentiment often expressed within the article itself.<\/p>\n<p>First is the seeming denial that Playstation Plus is essentially the exact same as Game Pass. Sure, Sony doesn&#8217;t put their games on there Day 1 \u2014 so what? It still &#8216;devalues&#8217; its catalog of games, and hosts several 3rd-party games Day 1. If you think Game Pass is a problem, you have to admit PS+ represents the exact same problem: a service that lessens sales revenue and endangers the well-being of developers.<\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s always assumed Game Pass is bad for business. Why? Well Microsoft&#8217;s closures prove the Day 1 model doesn&#8217;t work, no? Not like Playstation has closed any studios in the last decade of not devaluing their software. Not like Microsoft and Sony&#8217;s studio closures have more to do with their excessive spending than anything. Game Pass&#8217; effect on software sales is fairly difficult to quantitate. But I&#8217;ve a hunch that Microsoft&#8217;s p***-poor hardware sales, weak-a** marketing, and inability to produce universally praised games may have more to do with sales struggles than offering a quality subscription service. Just think of it this way: how many people that sub would&#8217;ve bought Redfall if it weren&#8217;t offered on the service? Probably, like&#8230;none, huh?<\/p>\n<p>Can a studio sustain itself by releasing on Game Pass? I dunno. Well, I mean Microsoft technically is, so the answer is actually yes. Wasn&#8217;t Vampire Survivors Game Pass Day 1? And several developers have come out and said Game Pass has worked out wonderfully for them. So it CAN work. And it can fail a game. And it&#8217;s definitely always Game Pass&#8217; fault, and not just a lack of mass appeal. Because when Hi-Fi Rush came out on PS5, I&#8217;m pretty sure it broke sales records&#8230; Wait, maybe an esoteric game given practically zero marketing just wasn&#8217;t going to set the world on fire \u2014 unfortunately. I think its fair to call Hi-Fi Rush&#8217;s failure Microsoft&#8217;s failure. Game Pass&#8217;, though? More people probably played the game than otherwise would have; though if it had a positive or negative affect on sales is beyond my understanding.<\/p>\n<p>This is all just a directionless rant. I just don&#8217;t get why we&#8217;re trying to position Game Pass as a blight upon gaming. It&#8217;s just a service \u2014 not terribly different from rental services of yore. It&#8217;s like, I know we like to pretend Netflix killed the film industry. Except it didn&#8217;t. Sure, all the streaming services put out soulless content at obnoxious rates with the intent of pushing their subs. But&#8230;in the same way that a game&#8217;s failure is possible regardless of being on Game Pass, movie theaters have been polluted by soulless c*** for a century now. A change in delivery didn&#8217;t do much to alter content provided nor content engaged with. There are always successes and failures, no matter the media climate. If K-Pop Demon Hunters can become a phenomenon, and presumably make some company a s***ton of money, I don&#8217;t much see why a Game Pass Day 1 game can&#8217;t do the same. Unless Game Pass itself just doesn&#8217;t have enough subs to carry that level of influence. In which case, there should be a vast pool of non-subs to buy software; hence, there wouldn&#8217;t be a notable epidemic of cannibalizing sales in the first place. And this whole topic is just&#8230;nothing.<\/p>\n<p>Hey, wasn&#8217;t Black Ops 6 Game Pass Day 1? Genuine question: did that notably change its sales?<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809783\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809783\" data-dislikes=\"2\" data-id=\"8809783\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809783\">93<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T09:33:26+00:00\">Yesterday, 10:33am<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@StitchJonesU I totally agree with you I just like gaming I don&#8217;t have some deep unbreakable bond and love for Microsoft or Xbox like some people would like to think just because I was critical of this site Xbox bashing with another of the gamepass is bad stories when it&#8217;s supposed to be a playstation site but they go on constantly about gamepass and always negatively check pure Xbox little to no stories about ps plus because nobody cares!<br \/>\nThe only reason they do these stories is to get the clicks and so people can have a big debate about it in the comments like someone said earlier it&#8217;s like Xbox\/gamepass lives rent free in there heads here!<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809822\" data-author=\"users\/357119\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809822\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809822\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/357119\/avatar.jpg?v=1753365432\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"EK42\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809822\">94<\/a><\/li>\n<li>EK42<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T11:08:44+00:00\">Yesterday, 12:08pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Ive never liked the subscription model. I just want to buy a game and play. Sony forcing you to pay for a subscription just to play online is the worst!<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809866\" data-author=\"users\/271393\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809866\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809866\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/271393\/avatar.jpg?v=1599672540\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Luigia\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809866\">95<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Luigia<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T12:22:25+00:00\">Yesterday, 1:22pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I like buying games but having the flexibility of subscription is good. Maybe giving new games a 3-6 month window away from subscriptions would be a good idea.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment is-supporter\" id=\"comment8809869\" data-author=\"users\/326882\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809869\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809869\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/326882\/avatar.jpg?v=1740229626\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"EfYI\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809869\">96<\/a><\/li>\n<li>EfYI<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T12:27:25+00:00\">Yesterday, 1:27pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I&#8217;m glad people aren&#8217;t oblivious to the danger against gaming that M$ constitutes (and oppressed people&#8217;s everywhere with their genocidal tech).<\/p>\n<p>We saw what happened to the industry of movies and music. If you think subscription helped those industries, you are wrong in my opinion.<\/p>\n<p>The comments by Seadavie on barriers of entry is quite illustrative to this point. Another example is the flag thrown from ex-executives. Or the massive layoffs that might diminish the service all on its own through sheer corporate greed.<\/p>\n<p>With each passing day, I find my boycut of M$ to be a better and better choice. And the companies who offer their games day one on the service puts themselves in my PS plus-wishlist if anything.<\/p>\n<p>The future of gaming is (maybe) better off without the discredited Xbox-brand.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809902\" data-author=\"users\/345269\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809902\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8809902\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/345269\/avatar.jpg?v=1757066007\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"DonkeyFantasy\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809902\">97<\/a><\/li>\n<li>DonkeyFantasy<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T13:22:13+00:00\">Yesterday, 2:22pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>She&#8217;s right about the monetisation. Nearly all the Xbox first party games are stuffed full of microtransactions.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809905\" data-author=\"users\/339587\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809905\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809905\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Rich33\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809905\">98<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Rich33<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T13:26:57+00:00\">Yesterday, 2:26pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@EfYI <br \/>Before GP, I didn&#8217;t want to see Xbox completely fail as a platform &#8211; mainly because I think Sony needs some competition to do their best. I dont think Sony are at their best at the moment.<br \/>But GP (the day 1 version at least) was such a threat to gaming as a whole, Im now not so sorry to see the Xbox platform in its current state.<\/p>\n<p>GP, Xbox, and the acquisitions it made in the name of GP, is a prime example of the phrase &#8216;be careful what you wish for&#8217;.<br \/>If Xbox had not embarked on this spending spree, I dont see them having been forced to put their games on PS, and I think the platform would have survived at least another generation.<\/p>\n<p>(NB I understand they may release a &#8216;PC in a box&#8217; next gen, but that is not a platform &#8211; they would be no different to the likes of Dell etc offering a pre built PC).<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809908\" data-author=\"users\/289984\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809908\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809908\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Briarback\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809908\">99<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Briarback<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T13:30:09+00:00\">Yesterday, 2:30pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain<\/p>\n<p>You mean like how Sammy is implying stuff at the end of the article, after he just &#8220;posted quotes&#8221; \u2014 &#8220;Ultimately, we think it\u2019s probably safe to say that while Xbox Game Pass does represent great value, it\u2019s not the future of gaming, as was hypothesised at the start of the generation.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Personally, i own a PS5 Pro, PS Portal, Series X, Switch 2, Steam Deck, RTX 5070 Ti W11 PC and a bunch of older stuff. I game on everything, and hate fanboyism \u2014 And Pushsquare are the worst in that regard, that is just how it is, even compared to other &#8220;one platform sites&#8221; like PureXbox and NintendoLife. And Sammy is probably the worst of them all, sadly. I really like several of his articles, and i visit this site daily, but some of the stuff just reeks of fanboyism, in a bad way.<\/p>\n<p>And i am not saying this in defense of Microsoft, at all. I generally love GamePass, but i also thinks it de-value games a bit, and i love buying and reselling physical games. So yeah, i do not love everything about GamePass. At the same time i think Sony could step it up a bunch of notches with their subscriptions&#8230;.. I pay for PS Premium, but it is not really worth it to be honest. Nintendo need to step it up the most, their whole online infrastucture and their online subscription are so dated it almost hurts.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8809977\" data-author=\"users\/291311\" data-subject=\"comments\/8809977\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8809977\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Psofo\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8809977\">100<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Psofo<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T15:08:25+00:00\">Yesterday, 4:08pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Briarback i dont think he is a fanboy at all. Its all about engagement\/revenue. And an article on a service that has nothing to do with playstation drives up engagement every time. People who get rage baited vs fanboys who pile on the GP hate.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810014\" data-author=\"users\/356237\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810014\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810014\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ElectricWizard\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810014\">101<\/a><\/li>\n<li>ElectricWizard<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T15:49:14+00:00\">Yesterday, 4:49pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@DonkeyFantasy<br \/>&#8220;Nearly all the Xbox first party games are stuffed full of microtransactions.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Debatable to say the least.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810020\" data-author=\"users\/358716\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810020\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810020\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Rodster\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810020\">102<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Rodster<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T15:54:56+00:00\">Yesterday, 4:54pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Hi everyone, i&#8217;m new here and apologies for my first comment being so long. I just wanted to say, as an XBOX gamer that I also think GP is unsustainable. However, it&#8217;s Microsoft who looks at the numbers and if they think they can break even or make money from it then it&#8217;s not for me to worry about.<\/p>\n<p>I buy every console. My first was the N64, followed by the original PlayStation and I have purchased everyone since. In my home I currently have the PS2 Slim, OG PS3, PS3 Slim, Xbox 360 Arcade, 360 Slim, Xbox Series S, Xbox Series X, Wii, WiiU, Switch, Switch 2, PS Vita, PSP&#8217;s, Xbox One, PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro, PS5 and I have the PS5 Pro on order from Amazon.<\/p>\n<p>So I don&#8217;t particularly side with one over the other. I just game where the games show up on whatever platform. I have GPU since it was first made available and the only time I paid for Game Pass was when I couldn&#8217;t find a Series X until Walmart had them available with a two year GP subscription. Since then I have not spent money on GPU and my subscription ends Sept 2026. I have used my Rewards Points to purchase GP, so that makes GP even more unsustainable because i&#8217;m sure i&#8217;m not the only getting a free ride on Game Pass Ultimate.<\/p>\n<p>The other thing about GP is that most games on GP are those i&#8217;m not interested in and on occasion I found a gem but that was only because Microsoft tied achievements to rewards points. If it wasn&#8217;t for that, I wouldn&#8217;t have bothered. It&#8217;s the same reason I don&#8217;t do PS+. The games on there usually don&#8217;t interest me and I will have probably purchased the game long before it showed up on PS+.<\/p>\n<p>The biggest problem with all these services is that I see it all coming to a head where people might get subscription burnout because everyone in media is selling a sub. Will GP survive? It&#8217;s anyone&#8217;s guess but I would question it.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810038\" data-author=\"users\/310171\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810038\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810038\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/310171\/avatar.jpg?v=1754168843\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"4fold\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810038\">103<\/a><\/li>\n<li>4fold<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T16:21:07+00:00\">Yesterday, 5:21pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>I\u2019m not sure where the controversy is. It\u2019s always been logical to me that, when the subscription becomes the product rather than the individual games, the individual games are going to be devalued exactly as is being said by both people in this article. Is anyone really disagreeing with something so obvious?<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810044\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810044\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810044\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810044\">104<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T16:25:29+00:00\">Yesterday, 5:25pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Briarback<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>You mean like how Sammy is implying stuff at the end of the article, after he just &#8220;posted quotes&#8221; \u2014 \u201dUltimately, we think it\u2019s probably safe to say that while Xbox Game Pass does represent great value, it\u2019s not the future of gaming, as was hypothesised at the start of the generation.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Are you also saying that this quote, where he even acknowledges the fact that Game Pass does represent <strong>great value<\/strong>, somehow implies that he\u2019s bashing Xbox\/Gamepass?<\/p>\n<p>Come on now, if the sensitivity is that high, then no one can ever give an opinion and nothing can ever be discussed without people yelling that it\u2019s \u201cbashing\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>That quote just seems like a summary of his views on the matter: Great service, but not necessarily the future of gaming. I dont know if i agree with that take, but it seems like a reasonable one don\u2019t you think?<\/p>\n<p>If this is him bashing then this might go down as the weakest bashing recorded in history<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810077\" data-author=\"users\/160219\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810077\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810077\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/160219\/avatar.jpg?v=1509501350\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Deljo\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810077\">105<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Deljo<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T17:19:03+00:00\">Yesterday, 6:19pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Gaming was best when you could rent games from your local video store and could swap games you own for a small fee (\u00a32 in the ps2 days but could rent a full vextrex in the early 80s for \u00a35 for the weekend \ud83d\ude00). You young&#8217;uns ruined it for everybody with you tinternet<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810086\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810086\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810086\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810086\">106<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T17:33:23+00:00\">Yesterday, 6:33pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Rodster Welcome to the community! And thanks for taking the time to share your view. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>The option to unlock GamePass Ultimate with Microsoft reward points is actually limited to certain countries. In my location the best I can get are Sea of Thieves ancient coins and Amazon credit.<\/p>\n<p>I wonder what Microsoft gains from people earning reward points. There must be some form of analytics data selling or advertisment revenue, otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t offer it.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810103\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810103\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810103\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810103\">107<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T18:16:00+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:16pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain The fact is he only reports the negatives of anything gamepass related no positive quotes from people at all.<br \/>\nConsidering this is a game site for playstation that only reports the negatives of the service which it doesn&#8217;t have constantly!<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s obviously a narrative they are trying to push otherwise they would report at least some positive quotes but there&#8217;s no point in this site because it&#8217;s biased against most things Xbox related like a decent amount of it&#8217;s user base for just reasons or not!<br \/>\nSo it&#8217;s not trying to inform anyone because nothing this bloke has said nothing that hasn&#8217;t been reported on this site and all other gaming sites already many times over it&#8217;s not new it&#8217;s just to pander to it&#8217;s diehards and get a load of comments and people arguing over it.<br \/>\nIt is what it is nobody is doing here anything wrong but it&#8217;s obvious \ud83e\udd37\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810106\" data-author=\"users\/299908\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810106\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810106\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"RoomWithaMoose\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810106\">108<\/a><\/li>\n<li>RoomWithaMoose<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T18:19:41+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:19pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain I mean, if your claim is that this is impartial reporting of a thing someone in the industry said, it&#8217;s not<\/p>\n<p>The title references &#8216;tension&#8217; without context, already disparaging Game Pass. Almost like we&#8217;re pushing an agenda that Game Pass is bad, or something.<\/p>\n<p>The first paragraph builds up the quote&#8217;s ethos for no real reason, while the second employs a very pointed &#8220;consequences&#8221; to \u2014 again \u2014 establish that Microsoft is bad.<\/p>\n<p>Instead of fairly digesting what the quote says (that Game Pass causes an imbalance in compensation for service providers and content creators. Which one might expound means the model is fine, its monetization and revenue distribution just needs to be rethought), we immediately double down on the anti-Game Pass narrative with the most sensationalist phrase from Shawn.<\/p>\n<p>A whole paragraph dedicated to saying Microsoft is full of s***. Further pushing the narrative that Game Pass is bad.<\/p>\n<p>A tangent about how daddy Sony is better than Game Pass. Which ignores that PS+ is just a worse (for the consumer) version of Game Pass, and this quote doesn&#8217;t explicitly say Game Pass Day 1 \u2014 the only real difference between the services \u2014 is the cause of tension.<\/p>\n<p>And we end with an editorialized summary of the topic. Which is fine, but anything but impartial.<\/p>\n<p>You know, I don&#8217;t really give a s*** about bias in gaming media. I mean, this is literally a PlayStation site; it&#8217;s not like the bias is clandestine. And gaming is so low-stakes, it really doesn&#8217;t matter regardless. But to not see the bias in articles like these is just incorrect.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810109\" data-author=\"users\/282447\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810109\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810109\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"awp69\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810109\">109<\/a><\/li>\n<li>awp69<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T18:24:24+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:24pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Getting tired of the \u201clet\u2019s beat down GamePass some more\u201d narrative on this site. This story is getting more traction here than any of the other gaming sites. It\u2019s like let\u2019s keep the console war narrative alive! Sigh\u2026<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810110\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810110\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810110\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810110\">110<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T18:25:12+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:25pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@RoomWithaMoose You explained that perfectly and much better than I did!\ud83d\udc4f<br \/>\nNobody is doing anything wrong but to make out like it&#8217;s not biased report is delusional especially considering if they are that bothered by reporting about gamepass on a playstation site consistently they would at least try not to exclusively report just the negative \ud83e\udd14<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810113\" data-author=\"users\/276878\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810113\" data-dislikes=\"1\" data-id=\"8810113\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/276878\/avatar.jpg?v=1755816751\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"UltimateOtaku91\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810113\">111<\/a><\/li>\n<li>UltimateOtaku91<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T18:26:54+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:26pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Imagine a future where all games are in a subscription service because people stopped buying games, tell me how these devs would make money? Or are people expecting Microsoft\/Sony to give each developer millions upon millions to cover the development costs?<\/p>\n<p>Right now we are not at that point yet, but sales data does show that games are getting less sales on Xbox platforms, platforms where gamepass exists and eating into sales. Now let&#8217;s say Sony and Nintendo do exactly the same and offer day one releases both first and third party into their own subscription service, sales for those games will plummet and more and more people will be trained not to buy games as they have plenty to play within their subscription and have the mindest of waiting to see if a game they want eventually joins the service instead of buying it on release.<\/p>\n<p>That scenario will lead to a subscription based future, poor day one sales all around and more studio closures, and at some point it will affect you personally when you&#8217;re favourite game doesn&#8217;t get made anymore because it&#8217;s not popular enough to drive more subscribers. Also when subscriptions are the main way to game these platforms will charge way higher prices.<\/p>\n<p>People really do need to look at the bigger picture, or don&#8217;t totally up to you but don&#8217;t get complaining when lay offs and closures come round again, and your subscription price increases yearly.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810122\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810122\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810122\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810122\">112<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T18:40:43+00:00\">Yesterday, 7:40pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Rodster Welcome to the site \ud83e\udd17<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810138\" data-author=\"users\/152184\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810138\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810138\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/152184\/avatar.jpg?v=1712431155\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Northern_munkey\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810138\">113<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Northern_munkey<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T19:01:12+00:00\">Yesterday, 8:01pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Wow PS really lit a bonfire this time. The comment section is on fire. Personally I don&#8217;t really care for Microsofts consoles but I do like some of their games that are now making their way to the PS5. Bethesdas games are buggy as hell and have been ever since skyrim on the ps3..maybe even earlier than that to be honest but they&#8217;ve done pretty well for themselves despite the technical flaws that all their games exhibit..actually that&#8217;s not really true as the last 3 doom games are pretty flawless. I&#8217;m not always happy with SONY but it&#8217;s my platform of choice because its just better (my opinion) and more reliable.@Ricky-Spanish I fully understand what you are saying and I agree with your sentiments towards pushsquare but it&#8217;ll never change. If it&#8217;s not Microsoft they will always find a new chew toy to nibble on.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810157\" data-author=\"users\/182873\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810157\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810157\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Cvantez\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810157\">114<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Cvantez<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T19:26:55+00:00\">Yesterday, 8:26pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@RoomWithaMoose It\u2019s all arm-chair analysis here. No data, just vibes and select anecdotes to support those vibes, over and over. Again, this is entirely common in the echo chambers of 2025, but it\u2019s worth calling it out and you did it quite nicely. I\u2019m actually encouraged that there are as many people recognizing it as there are.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810160\" data-author=\"users\/252968\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810160\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810160\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/252968\/avatar.jpg?v=1581768753\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Weebleman\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810160\">115<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Weebleman<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T19:33:01+00:00\">Yesterday, 8:33pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Rodster Hey! Welcome. Good post and its always good to get balanced, well explained opinions, so dont apologise!<\/p>\n<p>I agree with everything you have said. Gamepass is great value, but its almost like its too good value. So much so that its hobbled itself. A lot of folks have used loophole upon loophole to stack their subs and use valid things (like reward points) to play 50, 60, 70 pound games for nothing. There comes a point were it has to bite.<\/p>\n<p>I know people shout about record profits and the like but, like you, I just play the games I want to play on whatever box plays them. If someone let&#8217;s me play a day one release for one pound then you can bet your ass im gonna use that to play it. Its just got to hit a wall at some point.<\/p>\n<p>Excellent collection by the way. Hope you choose to stick around \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810161\" data-author=\"users\/282447\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810161\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810161\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"awp69\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810161\">116<\/a><\/li>\n<li>awp69<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T19:34:02+00:00\">Yesterday, 8:34pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish I\u2019ve seen stories on other sites with indie devs praising GamePass and how it has given their games so much more exposure that they never could have gotten otherwise. Do they ever have those stories here? Of course not. Exactly like you said, they only report the negative.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">5<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810186\" data-author=\"users\/356843\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810186\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810186\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/356843\/avatar.jpg?v=1754835667\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"TrollOfWar\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810186\">117<\/a><\/li>\n<li>TrollOfWar<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T19:59:56+00:00\">Yesterday, 8:59pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8230;it&#8217;s just to pander to it&#8217;s diehards and get a load of comments and people arguing over it.<br \/>\nIt is what it is nobody is doing here anything wrong but it&#8217;s obvious \ud83e\udd37\u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>So by replying here in the comments section, you became part of the issue. Sorry to put like that, hope you don&#8217;t feel offended.<\/p>\n<p>No one comes to PushSquare for unbiased, fact-based, well researched articles (though sometimes they do have some good articles on rare occasios). They offer what the hardcore fanbase here wants to read, even if those are biased, polarizing opinions. Sometimes the news articles are some random Reddit threads and Twitter\/X user posts.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just like people in the US watching Fox News because it caters to their political views. Can you blame them for not presenting an unbiased\/balanced reporting? They only offer what their viewers demand.<\/p>\n<p>Hope you have a good weekend by the way. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810197\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810197\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810197\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810197\">118<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T20:22:51+00:00\">Yesterday, 9:22pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@TrollOfWar No I have no problem with anything you said and if that&#8217;s how they do things obviously people like me will call them out on it not part of the problem I&#8217;m part of what they want this discussion section!<br \/>The opposite view driving replies and comments!!<br \/>The bait!!<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810202\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810202\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810202\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810202\">119<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T20:32:51+00:00\">Yesterday, 9:32pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@RoomWithaMoose<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I mean, <strong>if your claim is<\/strong> that this is impartial reporting of a thing someone in the industry said, it&#8217;s not<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>I never claimed they were impartial.<\/strong> Neither Pure Xbox not Push Square are impartial. This site has a bias, it\u2019s a Playstation-centric website. Pure Xbox also has a bias. No need to explain that to me, i\u2019m pretty sure everyone here understand that. When i say this article isnt bashing, doesnt mean i think this article isnt biased.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>The title references <strong>&#8216;tension&#8217;<\/strong> without context, already disparaging Game Pass<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The title of the article actually refers to what Pete Hines says about the tension between the creators and the lack of value and reward they get. So i don\u2019t think its disparaging to Gamepass at all, it\u2019s just highlighting whats being said in the quotes \ud83e\udd37\ud83c\udffb\u200d\u2642\ufe0f<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>we immediately double down on the anti-Game Pass narrative with the most sensationalist phrase<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I didn\u2019t double down on anything. Someone said it was bashing, and i reacted to them. You don\u2019t even know my stance on Gamepass.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps you should reply to those people who are making anti-Gamepass claims?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>And we end with an editorialized summary of the topic. Which is fine, but anything but impartial.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>It\u2019s an opinion of the writer, he\u2019s allowed to share his views on the matter. But is it bashing though? I don\u2019t think so. People cant have opinions anymore? He even calls Gamepass <strong>great value<\/strong> \ud83e\udd26\ud83c\udffb\u200d\u2642\ufe0f<\/p>\n<p>Trust me i recognize bias. But bias does not equal bashing. You can have an opinion about something without bashing it.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>A tangent about how daddy Sony is better than Game Pass<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>You mean this?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>PlayStation, to its credit, has consistently said it believes the Xbox Game Pass model is unsustainable. Earlier in the generation, the organisation was put under a lot of pressure to copy the business model.<\/p>\n<p>It eventually introduced multiple tiers of PS Plus, which provide a rolling catalogue of releases, including some day one games. However, it\u2019s always resisted the temptation to devalue its own software in the service upon release.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Was this the bashing? I wouldn\u2019t call this bashing. I\u2019d call this providing context. It\u2019s giving a little backstory for the people who might not know how both companies hve approached their subscription services. It\u2019s a news site after all, they can\u2019t assume everyone already knows the context. Not all people are gaming nerds like us \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p>Or was this the bashing?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Despite a ton of discussion on the topic, Microsoft has always insisted that its subscription is profitable. Although it\u2019s gone through various price increases and adjustments over the past few years, and the company obfuscates its actual profits.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Isnt it widely reported that Microsoft obfuscates it\u2019s actual profits? I feel like these are just facts, not bashing Microsoft.<\/p>\n<p>So where exactly is the bashing? And again, being biased doesnt mean bashing. You can critique things without bashing it<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810212\" data-author=\"users\/299908\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810212\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810212\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"RoomWithaMoose\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810212\">120<\/a><\/li>\n<li>RoomWithaMoose<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T20:48:19+00:00\">Yesterday, 9:48pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain No one is saying &#8220;bashing&#8221; besides you. This article not being narrowly defined as bashing by you doesn&#8217;t make it fair. If you agree the article isn&#8217;t impartial you&#8217;re halfway to agreeing with @Briarback that Sammy is, indeed, implying things.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t want to break down the whole article again. But all my examples are basically moments where the author could&#8217;ve chosen to not stoke fanboy wars, but did anyway. It&#8217;s all done at Microsoft&#8217;s expense, and randomly goes out of its way to absolve PlayStation. Sammy writing one nice thing about Game Pass doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of the article isn&#8217;t bashing.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">4<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810216\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810216\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810216\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810216\">121<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T20:53:02+00:00\">Yesterday, 9:53pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain I retract bashing and replace it with heavily obviously biased does that help??<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810218\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810218\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810218\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810218\">122<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T20:54:00+00:00\">Yesterday, 9:54pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Northern_munkey Totally agree and love your profile pic \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810224\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810224\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810224\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810224\">123<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T20:58:59+00:00\">Yesterday, 9:58pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@RoomWithaMoose<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>No one is saying &#8220;bashing&#8221; besides you<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Literally the first comment.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I don&#8217;t want to break down the whole article again<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I wouldnt call that a breakdown, it actually was more of a bashing, or perhaps a <em>\u201dheavily obviously biased\u201d<\/em> breakdown? \ud83d\ude1c<\/p>\n<p>Yes that helps \ud83d\ude01 @Ricky-Spanish<\/p>\n<p>Good day gentlemen \ud83c\udfa9<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">3<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810226\" data-author=\"users\/152184\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810226\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810226\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/152184\/avatar.jpg?v=1712431155\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Northern_munkey\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810226\">124<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Northern_munkey<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T21:02:45+00:00\">Yesterday, 10:02pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish thanks..yours is pretty funky too.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810235\" data-author=\"users\/332621\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810235\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810235\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/332621\/avatar.jpg?v=1757071097\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Ricky-Spanish\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810235\">125<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ricky-Spanish<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T21:24:47+00:00\">Yesterday, 10:24pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain Peace \u270c\ufe0f<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">1<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810243\" data-author=\"users\/344884\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810243\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810243\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"LogicStrikesAgain\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810243\">126<\/a><\/li>\n<li>LogicStrikesAgain<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T21:45:36+00:00\">Yesterday, 10:45pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@Ricky-Spanish For what it\u2019s worth, i apologize if i came on too strong with reacting to your comment. I didn\u2019t expect it to have such a long tail. Sometimes i just call things as i see them, but i didn\u2019t intend to turn this into a whole saga \ud83d\ude06<\/p>\n<p>At the end of the day we all share the same hobby, so peace brother \u270c\ud83c\udffc\u270c\ud83c\udffc\ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810245\" data-author=\"users\/299908\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810245\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810245\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"RoomWithaMoose\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810245\">127<\/a><\/li>\n<li>RoomWithaMoose<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T21:47:41+00:00\">Yesterday, 10:47pm<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>@LogicStrikesAgain Ohh, look at that. My bad on bashing. I hadn&#8217;t realized we were still on that first comment.<\/p>\n<p>Annnnd&#8230;sure, I guess. For the sake of your joke, we can call my comment bashing. <strong>Shrugs<\/strong> W&#8217;ever.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810289\" data-author=\"users\/79754\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810289\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810289\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/users\/79754\/avatar.jpg?v=1590007489\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"stinkyx\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810289\">128<\/a><\/li>\n<li>stinkyx<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T23:10:56+00:00\">3m ago<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Xbox has no games, period. PlayStation is almost as bad. Just a bunch of third-party sequels, indie games, and remasters. All that money and IPs and whole lotta excuses. Sad.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"comment\" id=\"comment8810290\" data-author=\"users\/335824\" data-subject=\"comments\/8810290\" data-dislikes=\"0\" data-id=\"8810290\">\n<p class=\"avatar\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"framed lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/static.pushsquare.com\/themes\/base\/images\/avatar.svg\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Rodimusprime13\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"detail\">\n<ul class=\"info\">\n<li class=\" first\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"num\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comment8810290\">129<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Rodimusprime13<\/li>\n<li class=\" last\"><time data-days=\"5\" class=\"date age \" datetime=\"2025-09-07T23:11:02+00:00\">3m ago<\/time><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<section class=\"text\">\n<p>Any subscription service will always have positives and negatives. It great to check out games to either finish them in one day or find the game isn&#8217;t worth playing. But it&#8217;s not really worth it to keep a subscription just to play a handful of games, you&#8217;re better off waiting for a sale and purchasing the game outright. Sony offers various classic titles, all except original ps3 versions are available for purchase.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<ul class=\"ui-comment-tools\">\n<li class=\"likes first last\">0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<p class=\"empty\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\"ui-load-comments ui-cta-button\" onclick=\"this.innerHTML = 'Please Wait...'; this.classList.add('loading'); return false\" href=\"news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass#comments\"><span class=\"icon icon-comments\"><\/span> Show Comments<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section id=\"reply\" class=\"block comments\">\n<header class=\"widget-header\">\n<p>Leave A Comment<\/p>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"body\">\n<p class=\"empty\">Hold on there, you need to login to post a comment&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"related-group optional\">\n<div class=\"insert centered block with-label lazyload for-mobile lazyload\">\n<div id=\"PS_MPU_X_R68BE11DF15553\" style=\"min-width:300px; min-height:250px\" data-dfp-id=\"pushsquare\/mobile_web_display\/article\" data-dfp-sizes=\"300x250\" data-dfp-targeting=\"pos=1,gto=false,experiment=nl-article-after-comments\" class=\"lazyload\" data-dfp-refresh-direct=\"true\" data-prebid-config=\"Lazy_Load_HP_MPU\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!-- cache: html:pushsquare.com\/ssl\/related\/articles\/bethesda,pete-hines,xbox @ 1757261893 --><\/p>\n<div class=\"related-articles\">\n<h2 class=\"heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Related_Articles-2\"><\/span>Related Articles<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"item\">\n<p class=\"image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/2eba655ce024a\/75x75.jpg\" width=\"75\" height=\"75\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Even More Ex-Xbox Executives Speak Out About 'Tension' of Game Pass\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"heading\">Even More Ex-Xbox Executives Speak Out About &#8216;Tension&#8217; of Game Pass<\/p>\n<p class=\"description\">&#8220;I saw short sighted decision making&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"item\">\n<p class=\"image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/86631fe1c286b\/75x75.jpg\" width=\"75\" height=\"75\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Helldivers 2 Xbox Sales Estimates Predict a Helluva Start for Sony's Live Service\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"heading\">Helldivers 2 Xbox Sales Estimates Predict a Helluva Start for Sony&#8217;s Live Service<\/p>\n<p class=\"description\">Will it change PlayStation&#8217;s thinking?<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"item\">\n<p class=\"image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/f11cedcf22ee3\/75x75.jpg\" width=\"75\" height=\"75\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Sony's Helldivers 2 on Xbox Gamble Is Absolutely Paying Off\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"heading\">Sony&#8217;s Helldivers 2 on Xbox Gamble Is Absolutely Paying Off<\/p>\n<p class=\"description\">Now the platform&#8217;s &#8220;Top Paid&#8221; game<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"item\">\n<p class=\"image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/images.pushsquare.com\/0cc42f72febdd\/75x75.jpg\" width=\"75\" height=\"75\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Indiana Jones Uncovers The Order of Giants in New PS5 DLC Out Now\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"heading\">Indiana Jones Uncovers The Order of Giants in New PS5 DLC Out Now<\/p>\n<p class=\"description\">Priced at \u00a317.99 \/ $19.99<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"insert centered block with-label lazyload for-desktop lazyload\">\n<div id=\"PS_MPU_X_Y68BE11DF1568A\" style=\"min-width:300px; min-height:250px\" data-dfp-id=\"pushsquare\/desktop_web_display\/article\" data-dfp-sizes=\"300x250\" data-dfp-targeting=\"pos=1,gto=false,experiment=nl-article-after-related-articles\" class=\"lazyload\" data-dfp-refresh-direct=\"true\" data-prebid-config=\"LAZY_DESKTOP\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>If you want to read more like this article, you can visit our <span style=\"color: #ff9900;\"><a style=\"color: #ff9900;\" href=\"https:\/\/yohrt.com\/news\/game\/\" target=\"_blank\" >Game<\/a><\/span> category.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><a style=\"color: #ff9900;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pushsquare.com\/news\/2025\/09\/even-more-ex-xbox-executives-speak-out-about-tension-of-game-pass\" target=\"_blank\" >Source<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Even More Ex-Xbox Executives Speak Out About &#8216;Tension&#8217; of Game Pass Image: Push Square Update [Sun 7th Sep 2025, 12pm]: Shannon Loftis, who served as the head of first-party studio World\u2019s Edge and was the VP of Xbox Game Studios, has joined in on the discussion of Game Pass. 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